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What do you call our neighbourhood? How do others in the city refer to it? What is your preference for an "official" neighbourhood name, and why? This is the spot to leave your answers to these and any other questions that come to mind about names for our community. Check back regularly to see if others have posted opinions about your suggestions, and feel free to post your thoughts about theirs. Whether you’re new to the neighbourhood, a seasoned resident, or somewhere in between, your ideas count.
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- Boo Radley's Adds Voting to the Menu
4 hours 54 min ago - too bad the list hadn't included...
23 hours 24 min ago - Music in the Streets
1 day 3 hours ago - People were all friendly
2 days 13 hours ago - Doors and Smiles
2 days 14 hours ago - He will live : )
2 days 23 hours ago - Like It .....
2 days 23 hours ago - Everyone Loves a Parade
3 days 2 hours ago - thanks for this!
3 days 2 hours ago - the island
3 days 2 hours ago
Boo Radley's Adds Voting to the Menu
For anyone who would like to ponder the Top Ten Names on the ballot over a "cold pop" can now do it at Boo Radley's. Michael and Shelley are now sporting a Fuzzy Boundaries ballot box (and ballots) at the bar until they close on Saturday night. You can find Boo's at 1482 Dupont Street on the Northwest corner of Campbell and Dupont.
too bad the list hadn't included...
Wallace Crossing, Track Town, Trestle Town or The Void. Logging in too late, I wasn't too happy with the long list, now not very happy with the short list.
Thanks for the process, at least it isn't a BIA deciding what to call it.
Music in the Streets
On Sunday, March 14, beginning at 1 p.m., Fuzzy Boundaries will be bringing music to the streets of our neighbourhood to encourage people to vote before the polls close (online until midnight) and celebrate the end of the naming project.
There are three ways to enjoy the music of the Baturyn Concert Marching Band. A musical parade will be passing by a majority of the houses in the neighbourhood (route map: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=3469062). You can see the band go by twice at Perth Park. Or, you can take a walk through the neighbourhood with us as the band plays on.
More details will follow (and a better map when our over-worked web guy gets a moment), but we hope that you will tell your friends about this special event in our neighbourhood.
Everyone Loves a Parade
With a week to go in voting in the second (and final) round of the Fuzzy Boundaries naming project, we just wanted to let you know we are working on something special. The details will follow over the next couple of days.
In the meantime, thank you to the hundreds of people who have participated so far and voted to select a neighbourhood name. We have received loads of positive feedback and comments from residents all over the neighbourhood as we have canvassed door-to-door and posted lawn signs in many places. The growing involvement of so many people makes the project worth the effort.
Learning about the names
I am partial to any of the names that do not say Junction. Life gets complicated when we snatch other people's area names. And technically we are east of the Junction. I agree with folks who want us to choose a name that is unique and different; kind of like the eclectic bunch of us who live here. Happy with the selection of names people have put forward.
And boys, we need to halt the petty bickering and bravado gesturing - We really need more women at the helm of these discussions.
I like learning about the names people like and why. Lets keep that conversation moving forward.
A very exciting project!
Like It .....
Like It .....
thanks for this!
I'm with you re moving forward. I too would love to hear how people are making their decisions and why. Everyone in our house has voted now. We each picked the same top name but our second and third choices differed. I found when I was going door to door telling people about the project, they agreed the top ten names made a good topic of discussion for around the dinner table.
The Island
I was at Yasi's today talking to a friend from outside the area about the naming project. My friend who is from Germany told me she calls the area inside the rail triangle the island because there is a neighbourhood in Berlin surrounded by railroad tracks that has that name. I searched online and found this Wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rote_Insel When I worked with my friend later today at Campbell Park she confirmed Rote Insel is the neighbourhood she had in mind, but interestingly, she didn't know it was called Rote Insel (Red Island). She only knew it as die Insel (the island).
the island
I like it! Wish it had come up before the first vote!!
Rhode Island
I just got an email from my friend who told me about the Berlin neighbourhood called Red island. In the German version of the Wikipedia article, it says that Rhode Island gets its name from the Dutch words Roodt Eylandt which means Red Island. Unfortunately this is disputed. Other people say the state was named after the Island of Rhodes but I like the Red Island theory better.
door to door
I thought it was great when we went door to door how much positive feedback there was. Lots of friendly faces and lots of people who said they'd voted already. I finally cast my vote today. Looking forward to seeing how my favourites fare.
Doors and Smiles
That was my experience too. People were positive and many have said they already voted.
People were all friendly
People were all friendly and interested on Perth and on Symington. I met 39 year residents who loved the concept. There is a reason why there are signs on almost every single street in the area.
Kevin, can you tell everyone WHAT IF, residents chose JunctionTr
Kevin, Can you tell me and I guess others, what will happen if the Junction Triangle is chosen for the hood name. Will this whole process have been a waste of time for you in particular and will this make it hard for you to tell family and friends as to where you live. It took 6 yrs for you to speak up about how fuzzy it was not knowing where this community was in a map. Will you then need a GPS to find out where your live if we go back to square one to where you started,over one year ago???
Project Outcome
Jack, just before I answer your question, I think it important to get it on the record that your complaints about this community project by residents were also rejected by the City of Toronto's Integrity Commissioner. Not sure why you have failed to mention that your filing against the project was rejected as having "insufficient rationale to proceed with further investigation." I know that in your quest for the truth and fairness, you would want to let everyone know that the Commissioner saw nothing wrong with the Fuzzy Boundaries naming project.
As to the outcome of this process, whatever name is chosen by the residents is the name I will be accepting. No one in the Fuzzy Boundaries organizing committee is about to disavow a process designed to let residents decide what they want to call the neighbourhood. We have worked hard to make this project as open and inclusive as possible and in the end, we think that objective has been met.
No
Obviously you didn't work hard enough to make the project as open as possible. If so, the residents in the Junction would have known about it!
Really?
Is this true? If so, that was very dirty thing to do. I've lost all respect for this naming process and the people involved in it; Kevin!
Faced with facts Jack changes the subject, again
Jack you are sounding like a conspiracy buff.
Why dont you answer the question ? How come you don't mention that the integrity Commissioner had no problems with the FB Community initiative ? Why dont you publish the response you got? Or the fact that every other community group and organization supports it too including Churches, business and the Library. I guess you can still complain to the United Nations.
As usual when faced with yet another truth you run off in another direction with another outlandish claim.
Frankly I think the community is bored of this parade of red herrings and bored with you. After over a year its the same 2 or 3 people with the same arguments that have been proven wrong over and over. Too bad you don't use your energy working with community members to make FB better. Its always easier to complain than to do.
Personally I will lobby for a full moderated website in the future so people who want to do things in the community don't have to suffer endless unwarranted attacks. Many people have told me they dont come here because of it.
The Wedge
I am not sure I would be happy to live in a neighbourhood named for a popular school yard torture tactic.
Appropriate Name?
If you use the word "Junction" in your naming process it will just re-enforce the fact that you're all WANNA BE Junctioneers!
The Village of West Toronto
The Village of West Toronto Junction was founded in 1884, and then morphed into the Town of West Toronto Junction in 1889, and then became the City of West Toronto in 1908. It's obvious that Junctioneers have a long history of being wannabe Torontonians. ;-)
I strongly Agree!!!
After using the name Junction for more than 100 years I feel we owe the residents some repect and choose a name that solely reflects us. Some residents of the Junction have voiced their own oposition to us using the name "Junction Whatever". Some residents who may have heard the name Junction Triangle are oposed to another name but it has only been in use on a smaller scale for a couple of decades. Think about how the residents of the Junction feel about their name, they have had it much longer than that. We need to select the name that would distinguish us, not keep us as we currently are, a lost community. Please select a name that would totally identify us as an important community!!
Katie
Thanks Katie for taking us
Thanks Katie for taking us long time Junction residents into consideration. I hope that the group decides on a name that identifies it's individuality.
Things Change, even in The Junction
25 years ago people didn't want to say they lived in The Junction because of the crime and industry. They said they were High Park. Funny how times change.I know I was living there.
From what I can recall ; You live East of the tracks?
I was living here 25 years ago Scott and I have no recollection of this. Nor does any of my family. (Family members are a generation older than me) Never has anyone I know ever referred to the Junction as High Park.
On a different note, why would you want to use a derivative of the "Junction?" There's still crime and industry! Lots of crack heads, prostitution and other crimes. We know this because we have done our best to work with authorities to reduce it. Hmmm, were you at any of the meetings that took place in the Junction? Umm don't think so. Were any of your immediate neighbours affected by the terror that was caused by the individuals who resided on Quebec Avenue? No. Simply because the crimes occurred in the Junction. (Watch the special that aired on W5; Nightmare on Quebec Avenue.) We were.
Why don't you people approach the residents in Pelham Park Gardens and ask them for their opinions? Ask them if you can use the name Pelham Park Gardens in your naming process. Nobody would dare to do so. There is no way you could take the name away from the residents residing there. (Despite the fact that it is Metro Housing) Not to mention that I don't believe any of you would have the nerve to even walk into the community.
Vic - Stop talking about the 1800's. You weren't around back then and you probably didn't have family that lived in the neighbourhood back then either.
On a different note; Railtown seems like it a name of an area located somewhere in Detroit. Certainly not fond of that, even as a Junctioneer neighbour.
Thank you. Others are speaking out
You Wrote:
"Not to mention that I don't believe any of you would have the nerve to even walk into the community"
Yes I have been in Pelham Park Garden before and meet the 12 year old and his family, the 12 yr old boy Terrance Bascombe that got shot a few years. I done a toy drive with the councillor and the 12 div. I wanted to say thank you for speaking out. It's good to hear others share concerns about the taging and other issues as you mentioned, other then Virginia and I. I believe the last couple of posting were spot on. The tagging on the property on 229 wallace make's the community look ugly. Even though the owner gave permission he should of considered the neighbours.
Happy to see that someone agrees with me.
Jack
I simply meant that I didn't believe that Mr. Putnam or Scott for that matter would go into Pelham Park Gardens and ask how they would feel if the entire neighbourhood were to become PPG.
I agree with you Jack. I wasn't "misinformed" by anyone or anything. The building on Wallace looks terrible. It looks far more like Vandalism than it does; Art. That is what you consider ART? Even though you're saying that it is Legal Santioned Art, it's still very ugly. Picasso, van Gough and Renoir produced works of art Darling. You should have gone the less greener way because it's obvious that not all the neighbourhood residents agree with what the owner of the building has allowed to happen. You could have actually approached a local elementary school and had some students do a much better job. It would have been more appealing to the eye.
Owner Supported
Its not vandalism though if the owner supported it. So why try to taint it? You can say you dont like it, but its only up FOR 3 WEEKS, and its not vandalism. Why the angry rhetoric ?
Quite Simple
It looks AWFUL! It's not clear that all residents were asked of their opinions. Jack wasn't and he doesn't like it!
He will live : )
Jack is entitled to his opinion and he gets to voice it here. But he is only one person. I think poor old Jack can survive one more week of the mural.
On a different note:
Also, a question for all of you. What's with the vandaism? That's an eye sore for anyone who isn't into this. The residents in my neighbourhood report vandalism to the authorities. Some of my neighbours have had to re paint their garages 2-3 times over the summer months. Why would you promote in this manner? Isn't that encouraging teens to do it more? IMO anyway.
Human Nature and Teens Doing It Right
How do you know where I lived in the 1980's ?
Just as people at Queen and Roncy started calling themselves Sunnysiders (historically accurate) because they thought Parkdale had a bad name, some in the Junction area wanted to be considered High Park because they thought The Junction had a negative connotation. It was about house prices, human nature, and probably a bit of snobery. It happens everywhere. The joke on the other side of Young Street is how Cabbagetown keeps getting bigger year after year as people try get included in that cache. Ask any real estate agent who was working The Junction then.
Vandalism? I think you are very misinformed. The painting was done with the support of the owner and is only temporary, the building is coming down in 10 days. A much greener way to get publicity than making additional signs or a 5th mailing if you ask me. In fact you will see in an upcoming posting that a teen was part of the process, setting an example for other teens on legal sanctioned art. A lot of tongues are wagging due to the mural. Its publicity. And it looks like it worked. : )
Neighbourhood Name—another suggestion
What about: Tri-Track Triangle?
Apologies for my lateness. I'm very interested in the area; didn't know the contest was down to the wire.
voting starts on Monday!
With the advent of the voting "window" opening up i have been thinking over the options.
Convinced that anything with 'junction' in the name reduces our neighbourhood to an 'addon' sub area of the Junction; basically a no name - the reason the project was developed, I am a little sad that no "fuzzy"s made it into the final vote as i have come to think of the area as being totally "Fuzzy" since the project began and am quite attached to the term. As for triangle, the suitability is quite obvious, but it seems to create a very solid demarcation of precise boundaries that looses the strength of the original openness expressed by the 'fuzzy' descriptor. So that brings us to the sundry 'rail' names, and the comfy 'Wedge'. The Wedge softens the triangle toward neighbourhood, i like it; and of the rail names only railPath, which being a cyclist and active in its implementation obviously says "my hood" to me. I'm getting there.........
Pros and Cons of the Top 10 Names
With the final vote only a couple of days away, it's nice to see a flurry of activity discussing the options. Here's something to think about: Some pros and cons for the various Top 10 names (in alphabetical order). What are your thoughts on this? Do you have any other pros/cons for any of these names?
Black Oak Triangle
Pro: (Some of these points taken from Sally's presentation and online postings)
Con:
East Junction
Pro:
Con:
Junction Triangle
Pro:
Con:
Perth Park
Pro:
Con:
Rail District
Pro:
Con:
Railpath
Pro:
Con:
Railtown
Pro:
Con:
South Junction Triangle
Pro:
Con:
The Triangle
Pro:
Con:
The Wedge
Pro:
Con:
Reflections
While I find it a bit wordy, I think the comparison of Black Oak Polygon to a 'fake suburban' name is taken a little too far. I would do the same thing of course as I think it is good to make a case in a pointed manner. But it should be noted.
I agree with Scott's Royce lament. I also had some different ideas, but I didn't make a strong case for any name. That is nobodies fault but my own.
Sally did make a good case for Black Oak Triangle. At the right time too.
So where do we go now?
I don't think a long Railpath is a problem, it would be like Kingston Road that goes to Kingston, or Scugog St that goes to Lake Scugog. It would be the path that leads to US. (or lets us escape I guess.)
Similarly Perth Park is well connected to a place and a festival.
One other factor is the shape of the community we seek. If this 'hood is to be heard, my opinion is that we would do well to develop a culture where opinionated blow hards like myself are willing to show a modicum of restraint while those inclined to be quiet are encouraged to speak up. This does not happen by accident, it takes work. Much work has gone into the Fuzzy Boundaries process and much of it has been in a very good direction. I do feel a CHANGE in name would be a good symbolic step.
Turning over a new leaf so to speak.
In Black Oak Triangle, we think for ourselves, and this is good.
Here in our 'hood we like to think for ourselves, not be told what to do. The Fuzzy Boundaries process has deftly proven this. Personally I celebrate the lively dialogue we have had.
I realize that my neighbours won't adopt the name Black Oak Triangle unless I can convince them it is right for us. With this goal in mind I have created a little guerilla marketing campaign to promote the name.
Last night I placed the first flyers on RAILPATH and had an interesting conversation with two of Toronto's finest who wanted to know what I was up to. They said to say "Good luck with your vote"...
Sally, I have yet to vote and
Sally, I have yet to vote and am happy to see how much you are promoting your name suggestion. Some people have said that Black Oak Triangle is too long a name. What are your comments on that?
Do you really want to live in BO ?
People should not be dazzled by a person's enthusiasm for a name. Its a bit unfair to promote one name over the others. Black Oak is generic and means nothing to me. I like Sally and her energy but it still doesnt make Black Oak a good name.
Think about it, people will call us BO. Do you really want to be called BO ?As in body odor? Part of picking a name is understanding how it will be slanged or used in jest. It will take 30 seconds for people to start calling us BO.
I canvassed on my street today and every single person was voting for the same name.I probably dont have to tell you what name that is.
Smiles
I went to the Railpath late this morning to specifically look at your guerilla marketing campaign, and I have to tell you, those small pieces of bright neon green paper, fluttering in the wind, are little bits of smiles dangling from the bare tree branches.
It's such a wonderful idea and I feel like after the community votes in a name, we can continue that same effort but with our chosen community name -- and who knows it may end up being Black Oak Triangle.
Black Oak Triangle rocks
It just takes it right back to it's roots: diverse, indigeneous and inspiring - something for the community to build on.
black oak
Sally, you beat me to it re this post. I saw your flyers this afternoon on my way home, before I read this. What a nice surprise to see bits of bright green attached to the trees! Wonderful idea.... I hope your enthusiasm catches on.
Black Oak Triangle
Your presentation at the last public meeting was one of the highlights of this whole project! I'll be sure to check out your flyers on the Railpath.
A fair minded look
A fair minded look at the names Vic. Personally I will be voting for Junction Triangle first as I don't think that any of the names that made it rise to the occasion enough to replace something that many people already use. Most of the other names are too generic or have rail in the name which I think is a negative (if you don't know the area).
Its sad that Royce, or a variation of Royce, did not make it as it had a lot of historical credibility.
great summary
Great summary Vic -- I guess I say so especially because I agree with you on pretty much every point. Given all this, would be very interested to know how you are voting! And I wonder about the Wedge too -- it seems like one a lot of people "sort of" like. Will it wedge itself right up the middle and come out on top, since it might make second and third for many? In our house (mom, dad and young daughter) we so far each have the same top choice, but our seconds and thirds differ. We haven't cast our ballots yet but will likely do so soon. Watching the site carefully in case someone says something powerful enough to sway me!
it was and always will be the
it was and always will be the Junction Triangle.
that is how it was introduced to us by Francis when we first moved here.
What's in a Name
Hi Neighbors
Upon reveiwing the potential names for our area, our family has concluded that several of the names are inappropriate ie the "wedge" this has a connotation of cheese, and or a wedge of wood and we certainly dont want to be refered to as "wedgies".
We favor the "RAIL DISTRICT"... when reveiwing names of the districts that have become somewhat upscale we see that the brewery district is rather upscale and attracts tourists, the fashion district in the queen west district etc
Any use of the word triangle evokes a response of "lost in the abyss of the Bermuda Triangle"
so our vote goes to Rail district... the railway being a link and a hub to the heart of the district from its former glory days... VOTE RAIL DISTRICT
The Campbells of Campbell ave
Hello Campbells, from Campbell
SEE BELOW FOR DEFINITIONS OF TRIANGLE. I ALSO AGREE WITH THE CAMPBELL"S ABOUT THE NAME "THE WEDGE". I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF THAT NAME EITHER. PLUS, DIDN'T THAE GUEST SPEAKER, JANE WHATEVER HER NAME WAS, DIDN"T SHE PICK THE NAME HERSELF. SHE DON" LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY.
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any of various triangular drafting instruments used to draw straight lines at specified angles
a percussion instrument consisting of a metal bar bent in the shape of an open triangle
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My Dad calls it the Junction Triangle.
My father grew up on Lappin Ave across from the American Standard factory. He always referred to the area west of there as the Junction Triangle. Is there no historical record of this name? Was he just ahead of his time? I like it as a name. Black Oak triangle is nice too but is the neighbourhood full of black oaks?
Black Oak Triangle
Sadly our neighbourhood is not full of black oaks.
But we can change that! Here is an example: Trees for Toronto is an initiative that cares for the city's tree canopy near Queen's Park. http://bit.ly/bl3IEk
It is my sincere hope that the name Black Oak Triangle would inspire us to make choices that will result in more healthy green spaces here in our own neighbourhood. If you ask for what you want, sometimes you get it.
Whatever name you select, please remember to cast your vote in the days to come.
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